On "Deconversion"
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 under polemics with the following tags: godliness, preservation of the saints, salvation.I’ve lately been perusing the “deconversion” stories posted by the contributors to the ambitiously named Debunking Christianity blog. Since I once claimed a similar deconversion story, I find it occasionally entertaining to see what those who once professed the faith have to say about their reasons for falling away.
When I was first truly converted by [...]
I’ve lately been perusing the “deconversion” stories posted by the contributors to the ambitiously named Debunking Christianity blog. Since I once claimed a similar deconversion story, I find it occasionally entertaining to see what those who once professed the faith have to say about their reasons for falling away.
When I was first truly converted by God, I found deconversion stories unsettling. Anyone unschooled in the Bible, and who does not continually seek to conform his thinking to it, so as to develop the mind of Christ which he has been given (1 Cor 2:16), will tend to feel shaken by stories of deconversion. However, as a Christian, such stories should evoke in you a certain unsurprised amusement; and, rather than being distressing, they should bolster and solidify your faith. This is because, like all things, they are actually testimonies to biblical truth.
Sometimes it can be hard to see past the immediate exterior of the fact that someone is relating how they “stopped believing in God”. But we should always seek to take every thought captive to obey Christ (2 Cor 10:5), so as to put every idea with which we’re confronted in its proper place. With this in mind, I’ll offer a brief discussion of the biblical perspective on the deconversion stories I’ve read lately. I won’t quote them specifically, since really there’s little to commend any of them as particularly noteworthy. Rather, I would invite you to familiarize yourself in full with at least a few of these testimonies, before I outline the general principles we can take from any and all of them.
You’ll notice that I initially placed the word deconversion within quote marks. The reason for this should be obvious enough, but lest I be accused of being unclear, or assuming something without justifying it, permit me a brief aside:
The Bible is unequivocal in teaching that salvation is granted to God’s people through faith. These people were elected by God before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4) and predestined for adoption through Christ (v 5) according to his purpose; for he works all things to the counsel of his will (v 11). God makes the elect alive while they are still spiritually dead (2:5), raises them up (v 6) and saves them by his grace, by giving them faith as a gift (v 8). They contribute nothing to this process; for how could the dead make themselves alive? Rather, it is entirely God’s doing and not a result of their own effort (v 9). They are his workmanship; not their own. Even the good works they do in faith are prepared beforehand for them by him (v 10). He has chosen us (John 13:18, Col 3:12, 1 Thes 1:4, James 2:5); we did not choose him (John 15:16). As many as are appointed to eternal life will believe (Acts 13:48); conversely, then, none appointed to destruction will ever come to faith.
This being the case, it should be obvious that anyone who professes faith, but then fails to continue in it, could never have been saved at all; for salvation, by its very nature, is eternal. The faith that produces salvation is everlasting; and so any professed faith which turns out to be temporary cannot be faith at all. In other words, those who claim to be Christians with us, but do not continue in faith, were never Christians. As 1 John 2:19 says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” It then goes on to say in verse 20, “But you [in contrast] have been anointed by the Holy One”—just as 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 echoes: it is God who establishes us in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee of our election and salvation.
I don’t wish to dwell extensively on predestination, since it is perspicuous in Scripture and should bear no real explanation. Nonetheless, it warrants the above explication so as to show that any alleged deconversion is, in truth, merely the inevitable exposure of the unbelief which existed all along.
This can be easily seen in all the deconversion testimonies at ‘Debunking Christianity’. Despite the claims of the contributors there, these testimonies are all very similar. Perhaps in an effort to imply that the ways in which Christianity can be disproved are very diverse, these contributors will mention how their deconversion stories are all quite different; but, in truth, they are all the same. The apparent differences are merely trappings appended to the underlying incomprehension and unbelief of Scripture, which is evident in their professed faith as well as in their atheism, and is similar to them all.
In fact, they are all so similar that I started developing a loose template for them in my mind; and in so doing I found that this template conformed fairly snugly to my series ‘On Strawmen’, read in reverse, with some evidential arguments attached. Each testimony follows this basic structure:
The “deconvert”, at quite a young age, starts to become increasingly interested in Christianity. Eventually, he has some kind of conversion experience, in which he “gives himself to God”. This experience can range from the minor to the dramatic; from the mere extension of an existing lifestyle to a significant change. However, in every case, this “conversion” is based largely on emotional and social factors, rather than real biblical knowledge. This is easily seen by the unanimous descriptions in the testimonies (some of them implicit, but still evident) of “choosing Christ”. Although there’s a recognition in the deconvert of salvation by grace through faith, there is no realization of his own inability, or that keystone of soteriology: election. His conversion is based on humanistic beliefs; not biblical ones. There’s never any thought of Christ choosing him.
During the deconversion, this comes heavily into play. Without an understanding of his own inability, and of God’s sovereignty over salvation, the deconvert presumes to rely on his own power to have faith, by “re-choosing” God in an effort to return to the state he was at shortly after his profession.
Once he has professed faith, the deconvert is always told what to believe, but never why—that is, he is never educated as a Christian. His elders are useless in degrees which may vary from simple incompetence to obvious unbelief. Questions such as the problem of evil, the doctrine of hell, and so on, are never placed in their proper context through a systematic study of biblical philosophy and theology, and are therefore never adequately answered in his mind; they merely fester, leading to eventual intellectual dissonance.
Following his profession, things go very well for a while. He is involved in some kind of ministry (whether pastoral or apologetic or both), and studies his field extensively (allegedly). He becomes increasingly confident in the Bible, but still without an understanding of its epistemic necessity, or its centrality and power—because these things have never been taught to him, and, being steeped in humanistic thinking, he is blind to discover them on his own. Nonetheless, he starts to study skeptical arguments against Christianity so as to refute them. During the course of this study, doubts begin to grow, as more and more “problems” are exposed with the Christian worldview. These doubts are primarily dealt with through attempts to renew the faith he supposes he created in himself, by “getting closer to God”—a wholly futile effort to improve his “spirituality” through praying and reading the Bible—and through further study of the wrong things. Obviously, such efforts are hopeless without the mind of Christ, and this is evidenced by the eventual collapse of the pretense of belief in the deconvert’s own mind, generally culminating after many years of gradual ablation.
It’s also notable that there are no other Christians (particularly elders) to whom he can speak about his doubts and problems. This, really, is merely an extension of my previous observation that the elders are quite incompetent; for if they were not, the doubts and problems should never have arisen in the first place. But their responses on the occasions of his asking for help are truly despicable (if they are related truthfully): testaments to the complete lack of work of Christ in their own lives, as well as his. Rather than correcting and teaching him, they consistently rebuke him, being totally unequipped to even attempt an answer to his simple objections.
It’s interesting (although obviously expected) that his ability to think starts to diminish quite evidently in proportion to his rejection of Scripture; which rejection increases as he studies it more. This phenomenon should encourage us as believers, since it’s the exact result we ought to expect if Scripture’s claims about itself and wisdom are true, and if the gospel is folly to those who are perishing (1 Cor 1:18) because it is veiled from them (2 Cor 4:3).
In all this, the only thing really demonstrated is not that the deconvert lost a faith he once had, but rather that faith which is based on humanistic beliefs is not faith at all; and that the Bible is incompatible with humanistic philosophy. In other words, the problems which the deconvert faced were all based on his humanistic assumptions about reality—assumptions which are false, and contrary to biblical teaching. Since he clung to these assumptions, he found it harder and harder to cling to Scripture; for as Jesus says in another context, “No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other” (Luke 16:13).
Now, the deconvert may object that it was not problems of philosophy which caused him to begin questioning his faith, but problems of fact. That is to say, most deconversions occur because of supposed “scientific facts” discovered by the deconvert, which “prove” the Bible wrong. It’s from these initial problems that the whole false faith unravels. But the very notion of a scientific fact merely demonstrates the extent to which humanistic thought has taken the deconvert captive, and proves that it was indeed a philosophical error that led him into unbelief. He has never engaged with the ultimate questions of reality at all; never been taught biblical philosophy, never been grounded in epistemology and metaphysics. If he had, he would understand the epistemic necessity of Scripture; and be all too aware that the scientific method is incapable of discovering truth in any way, shape, or form. Not only is it impossible to gain knowledge at all through empirical means, but the scientific method itself is a formal logical fallacy and therefore cannot yield any justified true belief (knowledge), ever (see the appendix on science in The Wisdom Of God).
But he has never studied the philosophy of science; or, if he has, he has refused to accept the plain facts of logic, and to believe the truth of Scripture; he has instead exchanged them for a lie. He has always assumed a false, humanistic worldview, and has simply attempted to force the Bible into it. No transformation of his mind ever took place (Rom 12:2).
If it had, he would be aware that the fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom (Pr 9:10), that wisdom is Christ (John 1:1), that it is put within the heart (Job 38:36)—and he would understand and affirm the epistemic ramifications of this instead of abandoning rationality for the hopeless, knowledge-destroying foolishness of unbelief (Ps 14:1). Indeed, he would be quite familiar with all these basic metaphysical and epistemological issues critical to the biblical worldview, and to intellectual endeavor itself. Without such a knowledge-affirming worldview, one is left with the foolishness of physicalism or naturalism or materialism or spiritualism, or whichever other ism one wishes to choose; and through which nothing can be known. As I discusse at some length in chapter 3 of The Wisdom Of God, the Bible’s nature as the word of God is the first principle upon which all other thinking is based; and it is the central pillar toward which every aspect of a believer’s life is conformed. It isn’t simply important; it is fundamental in the most basic sense: philosophically, it is the foundation for all thought.
No wonder the deconvert fell away, if he never learned this. He never had this foundation; he never knew the power of God at all; never really believed in the Bible’s centrality and power. It was never a lamp to his feet and a light to his path (Ps 119:105); he never believed it was sufficient and profitable for every area of intellectual endeavor (2 Tim 3:16); and he never took seriously its command to meditate upon it day and night (Josh 1:8). Simply put, although he may have thought he understood and believed these things, in truth he did not. If he had, he would truly have had his mind transformed and conformed into the rational, knowledge-affirming, unbelief-destroying mind of Christ.
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Hi Bnonn,
Just researching different views of Christianity and came across your comments to theresa on “debunking Christianity”. I really like what you said, although I didn’t quite understand all of it because I’m obviously not as well educated as you. I believe in Jesus, but I do admit, sometimes I think I might be crazy, and just talking to my four walls. Since you seem to know so much about the Bible and Christianity, I as a Christian am wondering what you think of marijuana usage and do you know of any reference to it in the Bible?
Hi Jen—
To better understand what I said above, I’d recommend reading the three series stapled in the sidebar. They lay a fair bit of groundwork which will help to answer questions you may have. I’m sure they will in turn provoke more questions, as they’re by no means comprehensive, so feel free to ask for clarification where necessary.
Regarding marijuana, I haven’t studied this issue in much depth, so I can’t give you a fully-formulated answer. I’m not familiar with any specific instances of drug use in the Bible; if it is mentioned, it is under a different name than marijuana or cannabis (hemp isn’t mentioned either).
Given my lack of investigation, I will only offer the following principles regarding using marijuana, since hard rules would require further study to formulate:
Marijuana is a pretty mild drug. I myself have used it a few times in my pre-Christian days. It is arguably much less negative a drug than alcohol, and we know that alcohol is by no means prohibited in Scripture. Quite the contrary: the Lord’s supper consists of bread and wine, which by definition is an alcoholic drink. Wine was in biblical times, as it is now, a common element of social dining, and Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana (John 2).
However, the Bible is also clear in condemning the overuse of alcohol: ie, it teaches against drunkeness. Proverbs 23:20 instructs us to “be not among drunkards”, and the Hebrew phrase can be literally translated “those who drink too much wine.” Obviously, the problem is not with drinking the wine itself, but with the quantity. We can therefore conclude that drinking with the sensual intent of becoming drunk is sinful.
So similarly, Paul writes in Romans 13:12-14:
The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.
As with those who over-indulge in drink, it seems reasonable to say that those who take marijuana recreationally are doing so in order to provoke a sensual reaction within themselves. They are indulging their flesh. Now obviously there are those who take marijuana for medical reasons, and if there truly is a legitimate instance where marijuana is the best treatment then that ought to be evaluated differently. But by and large, in my own experience at least, marijuana is not taken in the same way that wine can be taken at a dinner without anyone becoming drunk; rather, the point of marijuana is similar to the point of drinking to excess: to evoke an altered state of mind. This certainly is sinful.
But even if this is not the case, consider the impression that marijuana creates. Any drugs tend to be associated with the less savory element of society; and with unbiblical ideologies (notably hippie-type movements), and with sensuality, violence, and crime. In spiritual arenas they are also most certainly associated with rituals which are easily described as Satanic (such as, for example, Native American vision quests). Given the strongly negative stigma attached to drugs, and the exhortation to not conform ourselves to the world, but to be a light to it, we must take seriously our approach to drugs. Even if you believe there is biblical leeway for taking marijuana, you must consider first the impression it will give others. Remember Paul’s advice: “It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble” (Rom 14:21); and, “Therefore, if food [or anything, we may surmise] makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble” (1 Cor 8:13).
It is important to take into account the effect your actions can have on other Christians, or even on non-Christians to whom you are witnessing. Although you might find some leeway in the Bible, and in your conscience, for taking marijuana, the proper approach is not to tread as close to sin as possible without crossing the line (that would result in legalism such as evidenced by the Pharisees). Rather, you should stay as far from sin as possible, so that no one could possibly accuse you, justified or not; and so that no one can be caused to stumble.
Remember also that all things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. We should not be enslaved by anything (1 Cor 6:12). Drugs of any kind can be addictive (marijuana not generally physically, but certainly psychologically). We should least of all, then, be enslaved to something which is largely stigmatized and considered unquestionably sinful by most Christians. So although all things are lawful, remember that not all things build up. “Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor” (1 Cor 10:23-24).
Hopefully this offers a brief perspective on the biblical principles you should be applying in making a decision regarding marijuana use. If it is you yourself who is using it, or thinking of using it, I would personally advise against it, because it is at best morally suspect, will likely cause other Christians to stumble, and will weaken your own testimony in the eyes of non-believers. If it is another Christian, perhaps they may find this post helpful if you show it to them. Or, if it is an unbeliever, remember that taking marijuana is among the least of their sins!
Regards in Christ,
Bnonn
Hey but how do you prove the uncanny similarity between the life and teachings of Jesus and that of Mithraism. Baptism, the Lord’s supper et all find their origin in the practices followed by the Mithra worshippers. What makes you think the Gospel writers gave us nothing but the gospel truth? If the Christian God is a God of clarity, I’m sure ‘He’ wouldn’t leave behind so many reasons for many to raise eyebrows, as far as the scriptures are concerned. And more importantly, if the scriptures are to be taken as the literal truth, why isn’t your God performing the ‘great and mighty’ miracles He so conveniently flaunts to the ‘chosen people’. Have you realised your God is incredibly shrinking with the passing of time? Initially, He brought billions of galaxies into existence by a mere thought, then it was the Noah’s flood, which if you notice, amounts to nothing in the cosmic spectrum. Moving on, He decides to impress the ‘chosen guys’ by parting a teeny little sea. Thousands of years later, He converts water into wine and that’s supposed to have us be in awe of him!!!! Why don’t we witness the ‘marvellous’ hand of the Lord as prophesied in the scriptures. Didn’t He promise ‘we’ would perform greater miracles? And even a remote allusion to the fact that it’s our own shortcoming that has prevented it from happening, is futile, because there are people out there who have suffered for Christ, led a life of faith (mountain-moving stuff). Show me one proof that will corroborrate what the Bible promises to do, didn’t the Lord himself say so?
Also, about your ramblings on epistemology and metaphysics, I think the Lord should take note that an average man will only see the conspicuousness of the errors in the Bible or the unfair and downgrading practices aimed at women, God-breathed of course. If am a rational person, I will use the same means to put the Bible to test, not by any complex understanding of absolute philosophy where everything can be justified on fair grounds.